CRCTVN General Meeting Minutes October 5th, 2002 6:30 PM California time. [18:25] * aphan (~aphan/@dialup-209.245.140.248.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) has joined #crctvn [18:26] hello [18:26] hi there [18:26] hi [18:27] you're in San Jose? [18:27] I've got an email about the meeting today [18:27] yes [18:27] oh, I am in Oakland [18:27] oh really [18:27] what is your real name? [18:27] hello there nice to meet you [18:27] Anh [18:27] Anh Phan [18:28] oh, hi [18:28] are there anyone else here [18:28] yeah, Tung and Thanh but they are on break [18:28] we have discuss earlier about technical team [18:28] oh I see [18:28] oh [18:28] is this your first time right? [18:29] what time is the meeting suppose to sbee [18:29] yes [18:29] 6:30 [18:29] I tried [18:29] but never had time [18:29] I see [18:29] I seems like [18:30] we can't edit the text [18:30] in the tex box ha [18:30] I mean [18:30] there is no prompt right [18:30] what chat software are you using? [18:30] java [18:31] oh [18:31] you mean via the web browser? [18:31] I got it [18:31] yes [18:31] ok [18:31] so what is that little icon by your name for [18:32] oh, I am the operator [18:32] hi aphan. [18:32] oh I see [18:32] you you are running as a server now [18:32] aphan = Anh Pham [18:32] phan [18:32] not pham [18:32] I have the IRC run on my server [18:32] Ooops, sorry [18:32] I'm # 9 in the member list [18:33] oh I see [18:33] Wow, so you join the CRCTVN long time ago [18:33] yes [18:33] since the day I received Mr Thanh email [18:33] I see [18:33] I am number 33 [18:33] :-) [18:34] but this is my first time to meet people [18:34] Anh Phan is from San Jose [18:34] Yes, Thanh [18:34] hello Mr Thanh [18:34] Thanh, not Mr (you are kidding) [18:34] how 's going there [18:34] why [18:34] heheh, you can all him Thanh [18:34] oh [18:34] * Hong (~Hong@cnq45-48.cablevision.qc.ca) has joined #crctvn [18:34] * LongCalif (~LongCalif@dialup-63.209.92.19.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) has joined #crctvn [18:34] ok [18:34] * tn (~tn_h_nguy@046.ade0303.ade.iprimus.net.au) has joined #crctvn [18:34] Hi Phuc [18:34] hi everyone [18:34] hello all [18:35] Hi Long [18:35] hi [18:35] hi all [18:35] Hi Tien [18:35] * Hong is now known as hongphuc [18:35] HI everyone [18:35] I have a suggestion [18:36] yes, Thai? [18:36] we're waiting [18:36] should we our first name or firstname_location for our user name, so that we don't have to introduce ourself [18:36] We have anh Phan (member #9) from San Jose, join us the first time. Anh Phan, we are very happy to have you joined our chat. [18:36] thanks [18:36] Hello Phan [18:36] sorry for beeing so late [18:36] hi anh Phan [18:36] too busy [18:37] hello everyone [18:37] Thai's idea is good. I am for it. [18:37] * aphan has quit IRC (Today is a good day to chat.) [18:37] * aphan (~aphan/@dialup-209.245.140.248.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net) has joined #crctvn [18:37] oops [18:37] ok I'm back [18:37] ok [18:38] We wait another 5 minutes for a few more memers, in the meantime, anh Phan, can you share with us your passion (or feeling about CRCTVN)? [18:38] oh [18:38] fyi, anh Phan is a programmer. [18:38] I've bee seeing quite a few Vietnamese group on the net [18:39] I am listening. [18:39] To me [18:39] for some reason [18:39] as I receive the first email from Thank [18:39] I went and check out the site [18:39] I really like it [18:40] I do admire your thought [18:40] fyi, anh Phan, end your sentence with "..." so people know you have more typing to come, and they will not jump in. [18:40] oh okie [18:40] so I like said... [18:41] I'll try to help you out to keep up this project. [18:41] Cools [18:41] event though I'm very busy for life now. [18:41] but I'll try as much as I can [18:42] Keep up the Vietnamese culture as long as we live. [18:42] I like that, anh Phan. [18:42] any help at all even small tasks are count [18:43] we have a tough road ahead, however we have a lot of people... [18:43] yeah I'm currently dealing with CGI and PHP for MySQL dbase [18:44] please go on. [18:44] so... [18:44] if you need scripts for such thing relate to dbase [18:44] just let me know [18:44] Those are skill that we need here, Anh Phan [18:45] ok [18:45] ... [18:45] sorry i was cooking [18:45] I use to work with Java and created a chat room like this too but been long time now [18:45] :) [18:45] FYI. we are going to implement the web site with ColdFusion (CF) instead of PHP but we still can have PHP co-exists with CF [18:46] oh I see [18:46] I am listening. [18:46] ... [18:46] I'm very new to ColdFusion [18:46] if you have worked with PHP... [18:46] Dreamweaver is ok [18:46] then you will pick up CF in very short time.. [18:47] Yes, DW is a good tool. I am using it now. [18:47] I think so [18:47] oh really [18:47] I've been using FrontPage [18:47] but only for HTML stuff [18:47] anh Phan, your comming to join us in the Chat meeting GIVES us encouragement for each of us, it gives us hope that our combined effort will have more chance of success... [18:48] things keep changing all the time we're having hard time to keep up with [18:48] thanks [18:48] It's wonderful Anh Phan lives in San Jose. [18:48] hi Long [18:48] Anh Phan, I live in Los Angeles. [18:48] oh I see [18:48] Hey, I am in Oakland :-) [18:48] what part [18:48] in LA [18:49] so we have few Californians here ha [18:49] Anh Phan, I live near Downtown Los Angeles. [18:49] I live in Quebec, Canada [18:50] nice to meet you all [18:50] sorry Thanh, I think we cut you off. [18:50] We hope that you will be active and working with us from now on. For today's agenda, we mainly review our progress, and we will have time to discuss other issues not on the agenda as well. [18:50] Thai can you give us the report on our tech team, Phuc on material... [18:51] and drawing. [18:51] done. [18:51] ... [18:51] ok. I am first.. [18:51] FYI, we have a current static HTML website.... [18:51] Please noted that my PC is kinda funcky today so if I got kick off I'll try to get back ASAP. [18:52] we want to convert it into dynamic website for the grow in the future... [18:52] I had already done converting them all into ColdFusion (CF).... [18:52] but still need other members (Tung, Hoi, Thanh) to take a look at .... [18:53] we are also on the discussion on how to implement the registration pages for member to register on the web... [18:54] the process is going well... [18:54] but I am consider the time line.... [18:54] I am not sure if we can make it the deadline which is this December.... [18:55] I also finished the instruction and set up for how to set up the develop environment ... [18:55] for those member want to help the tech team. [18:55] I think I am done here. [18:56] Sorry, what database we are using now? [18:56] MySQL [18:56] cools [18:56] Well, for the emblem, i'm drawing on paper and will ask my friend in Hull to put in on photoshop. Also, i 'm writing the texts to be put on websites and on flyers for our PR team. I expect to complete for end of October. I also begin to collect data for our health project [18:56] .... [18:57] for the emblem, my friend are working on that.... [18:57] do you consider using PHP for the registration form? [18:57] is that ok to have more than one source working on one task? [18:57] sorry [18:57] ... [18:57] we want to go for CF right now, Anh Phan [18:58] oh ok [18:58] ... [18:58] but we have no limit on PHP [18:58] ... [18:58] since we don't want to limit member to know only CF.... [18:58] I can help with that registration [18:58] but right now we want to limit to CF... [18:59] then we will grow later with all language. [18:59] Cools, Anh Phan [18:59] we have one more member in the Tech team. [19:00] done Thai? [19:00] so is CF using its own language? [19:00] ... [19:00] Everyone, I am sorry for leaving early today because I have to drive my friend to the airport. [19:00] Anh Phan, forgive me but could we discuss that in another session... [19:00] see you later Long [19:00] take care [19:00] Bye Long [19:00] since this meeting purpose is for every one. [19:00] Take care Long. [19:00] sure Thai [19:00] bye long [19:00] Thanks. [19:00] ... [19:01] back to my question... [19:01] for the emblem, my friend are working on that.... [19:01] * LongCalif (~LongCalif@dialup-63.209.92.19.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) has left #crctvn (LongCalif) [19:01] is that ok to have more than one source working on one task? [19:01] Yes... [19:01] Since there is no guarantee on the outcome from different artists, ... [19:02] Yes, it will be OK to have more than one source. We can take the best out of these... [19:02] and make our final choice [19:02] it would be great if we encourage different paths, however on the same guideline. Did you guys receive... [19:02] my cut and paste version together with comments? [19:02] Yes [19:03] yes, I forward it to my friend [19:03] My friend promise she will get it done by tomorrow. I am not sure if she can make it. [19:03] Great Thai, as I mentioned in ... [19:03] Thai, When will your friend complete the emblem? [19:03] tomorrow, Phuc [19:03] ... [19:04] Very good [19:04] the email, since I or Phuc not an artist or know how to use PhotoShop or other graphics sw, we cannot get it done... [19:04] FYI, she will draw all the symbols by Illustrator [19:04] professionally. [19:04] Show us the design... [19:04] and maybe i don't have to do it [19:04] Anh Phan, FYI, we are discussing about the logo for CRCTVN [19:05] yes I see that Thai [19:05] thanks [19:05] it will be great to have our emblem soon to put on website [19:06] Thai, you passed our comments about the ribbons and "Nang Cao Tri' Khi'"? [19:06] Yes [19:06] yes, Thanh [19:06] the motto [19:06] thanks. [19:06] ... [19:06] I think the first draft if she can get it done tomorrow wont include that ... [19:07] since she didn't ask for my help to type in the Vietnamese text yet [19:07] That's fine. [19:08] We're using Unicode type for Vietnamese right [19:08] right. [19:08] Phuc, the emblem is so important for us, we need to have it done soon to make sure we are ready for our material, website and PR in Feb 2003... [19:08] I agree [19:09] we can wait for Thai's friend, but after we get a draft, we can decide whether we should... [19:09] continue to pursue the artist that you know in Ottawa. [19:10] Yes [19:10] ok, I agree [19:10] We hope Thai's friend design will be in the direction that we are aiming for, then we can leave it with her. [19:10] It's my turn to report then? [19:10] I think so. [19:11] First, ... [19:11] I hope you will join our tech team (active members) and helping us to make sure we can finish the new website... [19:12] before Dec/Jan, we can divide up the work, FYI, ... [19:12] we just had our tech meeting at 5:00 pm today, just before this general meeting. [19:12] ... [19:13] In my PR contact, we made some progress, ... [19:13] I had contacted professor ? (forgot the name), ... [19:13] which I found him when reading the Globe and Mail article last month, he likes what we are doing,... [19:14] he had been helping VNese with many education projects,.... [19:14] he created a few personal grant for VNese university students in VN to study in New Brunswick, Canada.... [19:15] He mentioned that he will check us out and see what practical things he can think of, he ... [19:16] made one comment that our Tri' Viet is very admirable, but very ambitous and would be hard to achieve... [19:16] To sum it up,... [19:16] I'll ask him to help us in one subject matter, and that's a practical thing... [19:17] Second,... [19:17] With the help of Phuc, Phuc introduced us to the Aids Prevention Project, being ... [19:18] run by Vietnamese doctors around the world, they have a yahoo forum and exchange knowledge about... [19:18] Aids Prevention in VN. They agreed to help us, despite they had sent us about 7 practical... [19:19] articles already, at this time, we have to be the collectors, they allowed me into their forum to browse their data,... [19:19] That's fine for now, since they are busy with their own tasks, I hope that one CRCTVN member can volunteer for this... [19:20] task for me, and I'll work with Phuc and nuture the relationship ... [19:21] so both groups can achieve our common goals faster and better. I need to break a few minutes, my fingers. [19:21] You guys can go on. [19:21] ok [19:22] Phuc, you can buy me some time and talk about APP. [19:22] That's a good point. There are many groups and organisations who need visibility... [19:22] and communicaton means but don't have it, so we can provide that... [19:23] APP is a good project for VN.. [19:23] sorry, but what is APP? [19:23] but until now, it was impeded by the medical association of USA.. [19:24] Aids Prevention Project [19:24] APP is AIDS PREVENTION PROJECT [19:24] oh I thought this is another subject [19:24] ok [19:25] Med association doing something to impede it? [19:25] The medical association is very conservative and anti-communist.. [19:25] icic [19:25] and oppose to all project to help VN.. [19:25] so until now, APP can't do anything tangible... [19:26] What i tell them is to separate from medical assoc. and be more independant.. [19:27] So if they need help and tool for communication, CRCT can help them... [19:27] WE can provide internet and website [19:27] good point [19:27] and advertise... [19:28] and help them to bring informations to VN [19:28] Good [19:28] so they can be more efficent in their mision [19:28] ... [19:28] As I keep on doing PR, I learnt that in addition to asking people to send us articles, we can also approach specific person or group who is specialized in one or more subject matters. Some of these group might want to help VNese, but they... [19:29] might not have the mean, or don't have the extra time (capacity) to do that, by working with us we (the group, CRCTVN and VNese) all benefits... [19:29] The last time we discussed and decided that CRCTVN should focus on the pilot and don't get distract in... [19:30] trying to take one the task of "encourage" of unity among those who has... [19:31] "ta^'m lo'ng" and working NOW to help the "da^n to^.c ta" to progress... [19:31] However, I would like to explore a scaled down version of this task, since this scaled down ... [19:32] version of this, I think, will help us in "convincing" other groups who operate independent of each other... [19:32] First,... [19:32] having a simple section within our CRCTVN (we don't have to finish this by Dec/Jan)... [19:33] which allow all organization to register and showing their org name, their descriptions, HOME page, ... [19:34] and they can post message to be shared among this group, ... [19:34] the idea is... [19:34] 1. Show people who wants to help (or helping) that there are a lot more people like them... [19:35] this would give them encouragement, courage, and believe, strength in doing more... [19:36] 2. Potential helper can look for one on-going project to join in. [19:37] Thanh, would that be something call "Other Links" or "Interested Links" on our website? [19:37] Yes. but perhaps a bit more... [19:37] as I can see... [19:37] good idea [19:38] a grid of organization, with some basic info, you can click on and find out more about each... [19:38] you can search for projects,... [19:39] you can register new organization, or update your profile. [19:39] ok [19:39] you can broadcast a new project within your... [19:40] org. to all other orgs. (assuming they specify that they want to receive broadcast).,... [19:40] so on, just enough basic function to encourage the strenth and need of "unity". [19:40] in other words... [19:41] we acts as the classified agent for those who don't have this tool and need help, right? [19:41] I need to take another typing break, my fingers hurt. [19:41] hehe [19:41] :) [19:41] In one way, yes. [19:42] Sorry, i was lost in Tien site [19:42] money? :) [19:42] jk [19:42] u wish phan [19:43] In my PR, more and more people are coming out to help VNese in VN (giac mo phon vinh VN), a lot are held back... [19:43] due to afraid of "du lua^.n cho^'ng ddo^'i", if no one... [19:44] having the courage to stay in front and leading the way, others will stay in "hibernating" mode. [19:44] That's true [19:44] ... [19:44] wwe have to set the trend [19:45] Even we, CRCTVN, ... [19:45] I got confused most of the time for that issue [19:45] hope that some one/group stand up with some strong and clean agenda to lead the way, we will cooperate to help us all ... [19:46] in achieving OUR goal (which should be the same goal) faster. [20:01] In general, do you think the "unity" page would help us? [20:01] yes, I think so Thanh [20:02] ... [20:02] yes I think so too [20:02] sound good with me [20:02] and make us not acting alone but united other groups as well [20:02] Very good [20:04] any other topic? [20:04] Thai and Tung, we don't have to have these yet until we finish our CF pilot. I'll write up a one - two page to sum up the idea, and features... [20:04] we need so we can implement it after the CF. [20:04] yes, Thanh [20:04] Any other issues? [20:04] does anyone know of a english to vietnamese interpreter software? [20:05] We had researched ... [20:05] into this matter, Thinh, co-founder, is a official translater, is responsible for this... [20:06] getting CRCTVN a "engine" to do mass translation... [20:06] do you have any specific questions? [20:06] ok just for me to be up to date with you all. I'd like to know what is going to be our first target now and what is the milestone? [20:06] I have a program called EVTran [20:07] you can look it up.. it made in vietnam [20:07] ENVIMAT is supposed to be a better program, not yet released. [20:07] i've never tested it out though [20:07] TN, you can contact Thinh at info@crctvn.com about this topic. [20:08] Anh Phan,... [20:08] Can we count you in our small CF team to get our pilot project done by Dec?... [20:08] If so, Thai, please bring anh Phan up to date with some emails later. [20:09] I need time to pick up CF [20:09] Mini Health project? [20:09] don't worry about that yet Anh [20:09] we just start learning CG [20:09] CF [20:09] Phuc, Yes the CF pilot project will provide the foundation for the health project. [20:09] sure I will do that Thanh [20:10] So you are in anh Phan? Thanks. [20:10] ok [20:10] thanks [20:10] Oh, Welcome! [20:11] anh Phan, ten cua anh la` Anh? [20:11] Our first milestone is to create that mini health project for Tri Viet [20:11] yes [20:11] Quoc Anh [20:11] If nothing else, are you ready for our CRCTVN signoff "emotional"? [20:12] Phuc... [20:12] yes [20:12] before that we need to bring the current website into CF first. [20:12] it's almost done. [20:12] ok... [20:13] you can send spec to me at aqp1@yahoo.com I'll try to keep in touch by email [20:13] I'll update the db schema and broadcast to CF team, Thai, could you please add anh Phan to the list,... [20:13] sure Thanh [20:13] BTW... [20:13] Anh, we use this email techteam@crctvn.com .... [20:13] to communicate with in the team [20:13] ok [20:13] I will add you into the list. [20:14] Thai, can you step up to be the ... [20:14] ok [20:14] Thanh... [20:14]