"Session Start: "Sat Nov 2 18:10:44 2002 [18:10] * Statistics: 1 Op, 1 User (Total: 2) [18:10] Hello Tung [18:25] hi Thanh [18:26] I am back [18:26] How's your school? [18:27] oh.. its ok [18:27] I'm almost finish [18:27] not bad! [18:27] I have 1 more course and im done [18:27] what course? [18:28] Cisco [18:28] ok [18:28] I'm learning about linux right now [18:28] good stuff. [18:28] yeh.. very interesting but many weird things [18:28] especially vi editor [18:29] press all kinds of commands and keys just to insert some text [18:29] I had not used Linux's vi, but I assumed they kept it the same as any old UNIX vi. [18:29] yes pretty much same [18:30] Yes, that's the UNIX way. [18:30] Windows just a lot easier for every thing [18:31] yes. [18:31] * NQTai (~taiqnguye@c-66-177-117-127.se.client2.attbi.com) has joined #crctvn [18:31] you have to be very nerdy to be a linux admin hehe... [18:31] Hello anh Tai. [18:31] hi Tai [18:32] Hello Anh Thành và Anh Tùng [18:32] Tung, FYI, anh Tai is friend of Phuc, and ... [18:33] anh Tai is the founder of Aids Prevention group for VN people. [18:33] Xin cho biet Anh Tung hay Tu`ng ? [18:33] * Hong (~Hong@cnq40-73.cablevision.qc.ca) has joined #crctvn [18:33] Tu`ng [18:33] Hi Phuc [18:33] Should I chat in English ? [18:33] Hi everybody [18:33] Hi Hong Phuc [18:33] Anh Tai, you can use either language, whichever fit you. [18:34] hello Hong [18:34] Thai is busy today so he won't join us. Thinh said he will join us, ... [18:35] I haven't heard from others so we will wait another 5 minutes before we start. [18:35] I just finish translating the text of our emblem [18:35] * Hong is now known as hongphuc [18:35] great, please send it to me. [18:38] Anh Tai, since I joined the APP, I realized that your group is very active. [18:38] The credit goes to Dr Huynh Do Phi [18:40] Phi is young right? [18:40] She is in her early 30s [18:41] anh Tai, what does the AIDS prevention group do mainly? [18:41] I guess [18:42] Anh Tai, FYI, please append "..." at the end of your text when you want to continue typing on the next line. [18:42] Encourage people in all walks of life to use preventive measures, ie condom [18:42] At the present time, APP tries to set up Education and Behavior modification programs in VN. [18:44] i see. I once volunteered for an AIDS organization here doing presentations at community centres. [18:44] We can start the meeting, and others can join in as they can later. [18:45] First, we are honored to have anh Tai joined us,... [18:45] I personally heard a lot about anh Tai and the APP group... [18:46] We hope that today we can chat about how we can practically cooperate ... [18:46] to be more productive. Anh Tai, we are very open to suggestions, ideas... [18:47] we don't get offend easily, so please give us advises as you see fit. [18:47] hehehe [18:47] Today's agenda includes... [18:47] Progress on EMblem design contest [18:47] ... [18:48] Concern about our content collection effort... [18:48] I just send you the English version of our emblem [18:48] and we can explore with anh Tai regarding APP and CRCTVN in more details. [18:49] OK [18:49] Phuc, could you give anh Tai a quick overview of what we are doing with the emblem and the contest before we continue. [18:50] Phuc? [18:50] Hi chu Tai, CRCT has reached a consensus on our emblem. We will open a contest ... [18:51] inside and outside VN with three prizes... [18:51] 1st: 500 USD, 2nd: 200 and 3rd: 100 [18:52] This will serve as PR for our association... [18:52] Good idea! [18:52] Our main objective is to complete our vision of the emblem which we can be proud of and secondly the money ... [18:52] and let people know more about our organisation inside and outside VN [18:53] could help VNese inside VN. [18:53] I will send you the text later [18:53] Thanks [18:53] Since Thinh is not here today, I'll summarize our effort on this... [18:54] We contacted VN Express and bao Tuoi Tre for ads rates.... [18:54] but we only received VN Express rate and Tuoi Tre had not replied. VN Express rate is [18:54] ... [18:54] way over our budget. So we contacted two CRCTVN members in VN and asked them to ... [18:55] contact some prominent mags for pricing, it had been slow on this front, we hope to receive it next week... [18:55] This is bad since, at this rate, we won't be able to take advantage of the remaining time before VNese Tet... [18:56] Phuc completed both ENglish and VNese text versions, I completed the website to plug in all the text from Phuc and Thinh.... [18:57] However, Thinh had been busy and were not able to complete it yet. I will check with Thinh and perhaps ... [18:57] if Thinh is too busy, then I can do it to make sure we don't loose precious time.... [18:58] Thanh just came back from VN, he mentioned he can help in coordinating to get truong cao dang my thuat... [18:58] o Sai Gon ve cuoc thi nay. At this rate, we might have to delay the reward announcement beyond Tet, otherwise... [18:59] we don't give sufficient time to contestants and our PR has less value (time). [18:59] Any comments? [18:59] Today, i receive a email from hoa si Nguyen Dai Giang. He's opened to help us. I will send him the text to have his input and ideas [18:59] There are many Vietnamese language Forums that have participants in Vietnam. You may put announcements on them. I can also ask a friend of mine in Saigon to see how you can put an ad on Vietnamese web pages [18:59] Great anh Tai. [19:00] What I'll do on Monday ... [19:00] is to put the contest work-in-progress website on our website (the public won't know... [19:01] about it yet since it does not link from any existing pages), this would allow phuc and anh Tai to expose ideas to ... [19:01] potential helper. [19:01] I will compose the new text for our websites, make it more 'hung hon' and attract more attentions [19:01] OK that's for the EMblem, slow but making progress... [19:02] The texts for our flyers will follow [19:02] Great Phuc, regarding Content for the Pilot healtcare project. [19:03] I have some concern, the Tech team is doing great in building up the new website with infrastructure... [19:03] to support content, but we had not collected any significant articles yet (anh Tai sent me 4-5 doc, Phuc might have some)... [19:04] but perhaps we should think of how for sure we can get lets say 100 article by Tet. [19:04] Comments? [19:05] No? [19:05] Sorry, ... [19:05] What sorts of articles do you need ? [19:05] In the past, Bs Dinh Xuan Anh Tuan had promised to help us but i'm not sure if he still keeps his promises [19:06] Anh Tai, the Healthcare exercise... [19:06] is to give people an idea of what Tri' Viet website is about, so we will show some basic functions, along with ... [19:07] For now, i just left the VMA but i try to contact some of them... [19:07] the healthcare topic, all subject matters belonging to healthcare are welcome here. [19:08] We need all arcticles in Medicine related to the health of people in VN.. [19:08] What is the target readership ? [19:08] so we can classify as a virtual library for people to consult... [19:09] For medical students, doctors to general public [19:09] Anh Tai, AIDS is a very good topic for us to populate... [19:09] I think of Bs Nguyen Y Duc and his arcticles... [19:10] and also of APP.. [19:10] APP can sort out some interesting arcticles from HDPhi and publish on our website... [19:11] This could be the beginning of the pilot projet... [19:12] Dr Nguyen Van Duc writes excellent articles for the general public. These have been published on multiple forums ... Can CRCT use then ? [19:12] Definitely. [19:12] to test the efficiency of our website [19:13] off course, NVDuc has very good arcticles [19:13] Many of these articles can be found on Dr Ho Ngoc Minh's own web site [19:13] Could you give us these website names later on? [19:14] OK. Dr Ho Dac Duy has ... [19:14] in Saigon has a wed site devoted to sexuality related questions... [19:15] He has a panel of doctors to answer questions from readers .... [19:16] I have been asked to answer a number of questions about HIV-AIDS and more recently about vertigo Cho'ng ma(.t [19:16] vertigo? [19:16] Chu+'ng cho'ng ma(.t [19:16] Another idea is to figure out how any local VNese magazine get their healthcare articles (Thinh should know about these things) and we get them from there. [19:17] CRCT may serve as a link to health related web pages [19:17] * hongphuc has quit IRC (Today is a good day to chat.) [19:17] Yes too. [19:18] We could ask active members such as Long, Tien (if they are available) to help collecting ... [19:19] articles once we find a source or sources. [19:19] Tung, when would you become available to help out again? [19:19] I think I can help again now [19:20] Can you coordinate with Long and Tien and see if you can collect articles (be creative in finding sources)... [19:20] yeh. [19:21] ok. [19:21] in addition to Phuc and anh Tai's effort. Thanks. [19:21] * HongPhuc (~HongPhuc/@cnq40-73.cablevision.qc.ca) has joined #crctvn [19:21] Sorry, i was accidentally disconnected [19:22] So Long and Tien is now collecting articles? [19:22] For content, could we count on you anh Tai in helping us with more content for the next few months? [19:22] I will give you the addresses of Dr Nguyen Van Duc, Dr Nguyen Y Duc, Dr Pham Anh Dung for you to ask for their articles... [19:22] Tung, it's not their tasks yet. [19:22] i see [19:23] Phuc, is it better if you contact these Drs? [19:23] I will ask DR DXATuan again to see if he still wants help us... [19:24] Anh Tai, in addition to give us the addresses of these DRs, could you introduce us to them so we could have a better start? [19:24] As i said, i just left the VMA and i don't know how they will react to my request [19:25] Sure, ... [19:25] I will introduce CRCT to these doctors. [19:25] Anh Tai, what do you think about Phuc's comment? [19:25] but i will ask them for sure [19:25] That's the spirit Phuc. [19:26] I don't see any problem [19:26] These doctors are of the more open minded kind [19:27] Are we ok with the action plan for collecting healthcare articles? If so, I'll share with you some other ideas about approach... [19:27] Yes [19:27] not relating to healthcare. [19:27] ok... [19:27] OK [19:28] I am talking about promoting unity among VNese to help VNese inside VN... [19:28] just hear me in full text... [19:29] I feel VNese oversea is having more contact and feeling for home than in the past... [19:30] FYI, my context has nothing to do with politic whatsoever. [19:30] ... [19:30] The Internet helped this process... [19:31] more and more VNese is helping VNese in VN in so many different ways (short, long, money, education, etc... mental support, ... [19:32] but we still lack the one source to promote (or link) all helps into a more productive and effective ... [19:32] The news about Nguyen Cao Ky is going back to VN.... [19:32] is a great significant for this process (VNese to help VNese). [19:33] Comments so far? [19:33] In short, our next text for website should touch on this topic and encourage... [19:34] the unity approach, unity in my thinking does not ... [19:34] tell people what they should stop this, do that, etc... people hate that... [19:35] but we just explain the fact that by just letting other VNese know your effort, would actually help... [19:35] already, it gives others courage, motivation, peer support to stand up and participate (you know the... [19:36] effect when others around you do that, you have less intimidation to do that to). That's for a start, CRCTVN website... [19:37] could be the hub to for all caring VNese to share info, and we ... [19:37] focus on Tri' Viet (as just one mean of CRCTVN itself in helping VN in education ... [19:38] we provide the engine, and we ask others to participate in terms of their articles (expertises).... [19:39] Instead of CRCTVN is building Tri Viet ourself, we shift the emphasis on "together" we build Tri' Viet. [19:39] ... [19:40] FYI, I am rewriting the Letter from Co-Founders to make sure that we don't offend VNese gov. in any way in term of ... [19:40] Actually, Many anti-communist fanatics dang 'chui boi' NCKy. We have to be careful not to be 'chup mu' by the anti-communists fanatics and suspected by the communists [19:41] poverty, undeveloped, ... (got your note Phuc, I'll elaborate more on my thoughts)... [19:42] but I am writing more interm of how VNese can help VNese (as dan toc) to compete in the global economy these days.... [19:42] dan ta without capital, existing infrastructure, knowledge can compete with even surrounding countries.... [19:43] Surrounding countries develop faster than us, we end up with little choice then to sell our "values" as ... [19:44] cheap labors, won't get us far into this century (FYI, the world is gaining 200,000 people every DAY)... [19:44] We have to be practical, .... [19:46] VNEse inside VN worry mainly about how they can improve their properity, we cannot live on the outside and make... [19:46] guess for the inside... [19:48] I think more and more people like us who want to help VNese today and seem to ignore the political state, this demontrates the point. When do someone stand up and do this, should everyone just wait for the other, if so, you might loose time. [19:48] Comments? [19:48] There are 3 groups of overseas people: 1. Those who want to help the people in Vietnam; 2. Those who are against that and 3. Those who are completely indifferent... [19:49] Let's focus on group #1 ... [19:50] If CRCT wants to serve as a rally point for this group, ... [19:50] its mission statement should be clear ... [19:51] Also, CRCT should have an on-going program in helping our people in VN ... [19:53] So that other groups may gather around it as d-o^`ng chi' hu+o+'ng (not d-o^`ng chi' in a communist sense) ... [19:54] There are many Vietnamese organizations that are doing humanitarian works in VN .... [19:54] CRCT may want to know more about them .... [19:55] to see what they are doing .... [19:55] and to publicize their activities, so that if other people want to emulat them ... [19:56] they can benefit from the experience of these organizations.... [19:56] One thing we should be aware of ... [19:57] Other organizations may not want competition ... for funds for example... [19:58] they may not want to divulge their ways of doing business with the VNese government officials, or how they use their funds ... [19:58] I have a personal experience... [19:59] I advance the idea that since Organization A is doing well , can other people try to duplicate their efforts at another location... [20:00] the person in charge of that organization looked at me as if he could not understand what I said. [20:01] End. [20:02] We like and support the idea of somewhere (does not have to be at CRCTVN) having a directory of all groups like us... [20:03] and it's up to each group to share more or less info about their groups like you mentioned. [20:04] Phuc? [20:04] For now, we should... [20:05] reaffirm our goal and mission... [20:06] limite to a few concret thing as to complete our emblem, improve our website... [20:07] build our pilot-projet and be more patient... [20:07] Our goal is to build Tri Viet, and it's true "be more patient" regarding unity effort. [20:08] would triviet have it own website? triviet.com ? [20:09] hmm.. triviet.com taken [20:09] I thought about this, we don't have to have triviet.com, instead we could have triviet.crctvn.com or crctvn.com/triviet and also links... [20:09] i see [20:09] I think we should incorporate Tri Viet in CRCT because it could bring some confusion... [20:10] from our website. It's more harmony CRCTVN and Tri' Viet, once a site is good, people will come. [20:10] and divert our energy [20:10] I agreed Phuc, it's together. [20:12] Be patient and be diligent. we will advance at slow pace but surely [20:13] Please keep reminding be to be patient... [20:13] When 'Va^.n d-a~ to+'i' we will be ready [20:13] I think I heard that in a 'phim truong' I saw [20:13] hehe [20:14] since I see other countries progress and we are at the bottom (in the crowed world and less opportunity), more chance to be exploited by other countries. [20:14] Any other issues? [20:15] Don't forget First will be last and last will be first! [20:16] Anh Tai, could we ask you to share your passion about helping "dan toc ta" with us? FYI, before signing off, we each in turn share our emotion about CRCTVN. [20:18] Anh Tai? [20:19] OK... [20:19] I think CRCT is doing the right thing... [20:20] It will have to find way to rally more people .... [20:20] and establish a concrete program in helping our people in VN ... [20:21] I will write to you more about what I think we will be able to do ... [20:22] and how we should go about to do it ... my personal thinking. Good night. [20:22] I remember a song which says: 'To^i va^~n d-i giu+~a lo`ng que^ hu+o+ng to^i va` to^i se~ d-i cho d-e^'n khi em be' d-u+o+.c ngu~ ye^n trong no^i va` me. hie^`n d-u+o+.c cu+o+`i vui trong hoa` bi`nh va` no a^'m' [20:23] That's my passion for da^n to^.c Vie^.t Nam [20:23] nice [20:24] The horror fire in VN reminds me to have more effort in helping dan toc ta, and the news about NCK is going back to VN is ... [20:24] something I think it's a good thing for the progress of VN. That's mine. [20:25] I think overall, we are at good pace. [20:26] Anh Tai, em hy vong chung ta se lam viec chat che hon. [20:26] So do I. Thank you. [20:26] Xin tong chao. [20:26] Bye all. [20:26] good night all [20:26] * NQTai (~taiqnguye@c-66-177-117-127.se.client2.attbi.com) has left #crctvn (NQTai) "Session Close: "Sat Nov 2 20:26:52 2002